Month: February 2006

Amanda and her half sister L are so caught up on their hate for ME, that they care not one ounce about their half brother, my son, who is 8. It’s ok though, as he most CERTAINLY doesn’t need that toxicity in his life. I didn’t add Amanda’s oldest brother or her L’s older brother because I haven’t heard from them…yet 😉

Regardless of Amanda’s older brother’s feelings for me, and I really don’t know what they are as he has never told me, but I have to say he has ALWAYS been very cordial to me, always had a pleasant, “Hi Patty, how ya doing,” shake my hand, really nice guy to my face. IF he is one way to my face and another behind my back, then that’s on him, but he has never shown ME one ounce of disrespect at any time. Even in his response to my text message on his birthday (he shares a birthday with my husband) he was kind. I haven’t spoke to him since… shrug. NOT a big deal. I respect him a lot.

Amanda seems to have issues with me that I didn’t know about until last year. What I DO know, is that while she calls me meddling, she has struggled with her relationship with her dad, WELL before I came into the picture. My husband I didn’t interact THAT much with his two oldest kids, and Amanda admitted it had nothing to do with me, even though she wants people to believe it did, but whatever.

Their dad is dead, gone. Amanda wrote her dad off once again, ( I lost count how many times that happened) sometime last year when she was giving him shit about his relationship with L. Amanda’s own relationship with L and N admittedly was not stellar and she really had no place to make bones about my husband’s relationship with them.

I will say this though, Keith loved his kids, but HE decided not to put up with their bullshit and emotional rollercoaster they had him on and the GAMES they played with him.

L started telling her dad sometime in 2003 to stay out of her life, to quit contacting her, no phone calls, no text, NOTHING. It was then she started to refer to him by his first and/ or middle name. The straw that broke the camels back and probably Keith heart was on Oct. 11, 2005 when she told him to FUCK OFF, and told him she hated him and to stay out of her life, that she didn’t need him in her life and she could make it through her life without him.

THEIR CHOICES, THEIR GUILT feelings are where I believe all their animosity is coming from. THEY need to put blame WHERE it lies, and THEY need to accept responsibility for THEIR OWN decisions to try and not have a better relationship with their dad. It truly IS THEIR LOSS, for my two children and I KNOW what a wonderful man their father was, and what a caring father he was.

I started nothing. I didn’t even believe what Keith told me about you. I kept thinking “SURELY, it can’t be THAT BAD….” Until I saw it for myself.

What is it that you say I knew nothing about? I gave you the benefit of the doubt, until I couldn’t any longer. I saw the lies, from visitation to demanding money, to screwing around with the insurance companies and claims and not billing properly. I saw it all.

I’m just standing up and proving that YOU are the biggest liar I have ever seen. It’s SHOCKING how much you lie. It’s even more shocking that you work with the public and that you were or still are, not sure which, the president of the Kiwanis Club, while trashing my kids. UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE. Truly.

When your daughter responded to me the way she did, it’s all she deserved, especially after telling her dad to fuck off.

Your parenting with Keith was NOT perfect. I read the letters you wrote to him, after you told him to leave. You would write things like, “Sorry we still don’t agree on everything…” or “I know the last letter I wrote you was mean but…” or like I wrote earlier, you said, “We can’t even write to each other without fighting.” Your perception of “Perfect” is VERY much SKEWED.

I wasn’t with Keith when his son was 5, LOL didn’t even know him. You can say anything you want now, now that Keith is dead and can’t speak. It seems in Sept. 1989 was when his son turned 5, and Keith had left in August of 1989, a month before. In all the letters you wrote Keith since he left, you never once mentioned how he never showed up for his son’s 5th birthday. Wonder why that is…. not one mention. Knowing you like I do, I suspect this one goes in that LIES BY J file too.

You want to harp on what Keith didn’t do for his son’s high school graduation in 2002, (no seniority) but you don’t say ONE thing about what YOU didn’t do. When Keith told you he couldn’t get the time off, you never ONCE understood, nor did ever offer to record it and send Keith a copy. You didn’t offer to pay for his airfare to get there, didn’t offer to pay for a rental car, nothing. Not only that, but at one time, YOU told Keith that your then husband would be more than happy to adopt Keith’s kids as his own. Your own daughter once told Keith that your husband was more of a father to her because he was always there. Things planted in your kids minds by you. YOU are the one that said Keith makes you hate him more and more. I’m sure your kids heard that many times considering the things they would say to him.

Not one phone call for years huh? Funny, we have phone bills showing calls to your home phone. SO MANY TIMES, he had to leave a message and didn’t get a return call. Makes me wonder if the kids even HEARD the messages or received them.

What problems did I cause for Keith’s dad, and his oldest son and daughter? You’re so funny, thinking you know everything, LMAO. Funny how you accuse me of butting in, but here you are, just as you have ALWAYS done. Whenever the kids would go back home after visiting their dad, you’d PEPPER them with questions and GRILL them for answers and then send an email to Keith giving him shit over something that did or did not take place here, in our home, 1200 miles away from YOU.

The money you got was to offset the crap I was constantly pulling? Funny, because the money you got was always LESS than what you felt you should have gotten. You always wanted more than $1000. You never got it. The most you got was $800 and part of that was for Child Care you said the kids were going to, and once you got THAT support order, suddenly, the kids didn’t need to go to child care. We ALWAYS provided proof of your shenanigans and lies about visitation, all medical/dental expenses, and messing with visitation and I believe that is why you never got the amount of support you thought you needed.

What did I do when Keith and I and our kids lived “in the trailer on Rosecrans.” This should be good. LOL. Why did we have to move? We didn’t have to move. Keith found a 3 bedroom/2 bath house for us in a city that he wanted our kids to go to school in. Your point? OH there is none. LOL.

YOU know nothing. You just like to THINK you do, because YOU are jealous and spiteful and HATE that Keith was HAPPY…WITHOUT YOU.

You say you “DIVORCED HIM FOR ABUSE-” SURE! LMAO…. What a crock of shit that is. He probably left YOU for Abuse, verbal, mental, emotional. THAT I can see, but not the other way around. He even told me of the many times when you would fight you would always bring up your 2nd ex-husband names, how life would be better with him. You got your wish. Was life not better? Did “John” bring in the $6000 a month Keith was bringing in? Did he save you from the “$800 after taxes” you had to survive on? Was this the business arrangement you told me about?

Yes, J, you are a nasty bitter ex who couldn’t get over the fact that the husband YOU told to leave, did just that and moved on. You CLEARLY were not at peace with Keith before he met me. I’ve read the letters, I’ve heard the stories, your life with your 2nd ex couldn’t have been sunshine and roses otherwise you would not be divorced. Seems even HE couldn’t stand your kind of “Peace” anymore. I really often wondered what HIS ex-wife thought of you and what she thought of the time in July 1995 when you took off like a bat out of hell down our street with HIS son in the car. Remember that? Did she even find out? Things that make you go HMMMMMM….Wished I would have known who she was that time, because I DEFINITELY would have called her and let her know how you ENDANGERED HER SON’S LIFE with your wreckless driving down a residential street.

We KNOW you kept the kids away from him! Keith ALWAYS knew you did and ALWAYS said you did. You finally admit it, AFTER he died. Keith left YOU, not the kids. Not according to the pics I’ve seen, the letters I’ve read and the visitation schedule you told your attorney took place.

You left Keith? In one letter to him you wrote, “Just because we get divorce legally it doesn’t mean have to mean the end of us. I thought about you quite a lot since Easter. I would like to see you again. I just don’t want to be married anymore. I hope you can understand.” Then 5 months later, in another letter you wrote, you said, “The reason I asked you to leave the house because we were fighting so much it wasn’t good for any of us.” YOU were hoping he would come back and you both can start talking again, but it didn’t happen that way.

I contacted your daughter to see if she wanted pictures. CLEARLY that was MY BAD, according to her response. Her MYSPACE is a PUBLIC WEBSITE for ALL to read. What a sordid story she shares on there too, to one of her friends, about you even.

Keith didn’t leave his children. YOU told him to leave and he saw the kids when YOU allowed it, or needed a babysitter. THEN, YOU moved out of state. There were not many invitations at all from you or the kids to go visit him in WA. You invited him ONE TIME, either after your divorce or when your then husband was away at work, to stay at your house but I wasn’t allowed to come. Are you kidding? Keith saw the bullshit in that the minute he read it. HE said “said the spider to the fly” like you were trying to trap him and put him in a compromising position. He wasn’t as stupid as you seemed to have thought he was.

Keith was a happy man. He finally had a marriage that he loved being in, to a wife that loved him just as much as he loved her. He had a partner. He knew I had his back. I’m sorry you didn’t experience that in your marriage to him, or to your 2nd ex.

Recordings only came from our convo’s with you. Didn’t need to record their convos, they put their hatred for him in e-mails, they learned that from you. The YEARS of abuse, mental, emotional, and psychological, from you that Keith had to endure, and he had enough. Your daughter didn’t stand up and fight for what she believed in and against Keith and I. She was brainwashed into believing the shit you spewed in her brain. The same with your son. You ADMITTEDLY kept the kids from Keith, filled their lies with lies and bullshit about him and I, and you alienated the kids from him as well. How SICK.

Your kids don’t CARE that Keith is dead. If they feel anything, maybe it’s GUILT over their last words to him.

Hi Amanda….AGAIN…

As a matter of fact, no it isn’t tough being me at all. I am happy in my skin, but it doesn’t seem like you are happy in yours. Actually, no, my life is NOT you all. I haven’t spoken to N in years, and the last time I spoke to you and your brother was at the wedding in 2004. I did email you in 2005 in regards to something you said to my husband about me and that was it. Other than THAT, I really didn’t allow you to rent space in my head. 🙂

It’s so funny! Why are you and J so hung up on talking to my Pastor? I say GO FOR IT 🙂 I have nothing to hide.

Well, you would be wrong about my first response to your email. In that email I said… Hey Mandy! Great to see you, pleasant as always, LOL…having a bad day are ya? trouble in paradise? Married life not what you thought it would be? Glad you FINALLY found someone to settle down with. I hope it lasts a lifetime for ya!

Thanks for stopping by myspace. Take a chill pill and relax, sounds like you need it 🙂

Patty

Your personal life really isn’t a concern for me. I just hope it didn’t scar your son too much, living with the different men you did, that’s all.

Actually Amanda, your email to me sounded quite bitter, and since I had not any contact with you for nearly a year, your email was really out of the blue. Thanks for thinking of me though, LOL…My marriage was just fine, thank you. 🙂 Never a dull moment. 🙂 Never a lonely moment. I am not a ‘needy” person as you seem to be Amanda. I don’t have the feelings of abandonment issues with my dad the way you did with your’s.

I keep in contact with a few of members of my “dead husbands family” and that is perfectly fine with me and my kids. THOSE members I keep in contact with obviously MEAN something to us, and us to them. Sorry you have issues with that, but those are YOUR issues.

TTFN…

Patty.

A few messages from the OTHER side…. (Keith’s oldest daughter)

HI Mandy! Great to see you, pleasant as always, LOL…having a bad day are ya? Trouble in paradise? Married life not what you thought it would be? Glad you FINALLY found someone to settle down with. I hope it lasts a life time for ya!

Thanks for stopping my myspace. Take a chill pill and relax, sounds like you need it. 🙂

Patty

Even though she had a visit from her local PD just yesterday, she continues on. She is responding to what my friends are saying to her, and they weren’t kind at times. My friend did not appreciate her harassment of me, not her harassment of me on my friends blog.

OH, No….Keith saw his kids when YOU allowed him to. Proof of that is in the emails. and visitation documentation. You NEVER encouraged visits, and you CERTAINLY didn’t pay for them “most of the time.” In fact, you refused to discuss visitations when you took Keith back to court in 1995.

When Keith took you back to court, to get set visitations, you were pissed. He got set visitations, and he was also ordered to pay one half of airfare which was to be from airport to airport ONLY. You took issue with that AFTER court, demanding he pay you gas expenses so you can take the kids to the airport.

After you told him to leave, you never had to drive to LA to find him, LMAO. You were too busy working and complaining to Keith about how much you have to work. How would you have time to go find him? LMAO. You saw him in April of 1990, when you met up so he could see his kids. You saw him with another woman. That must have triggered you. In June of 1990 you told Keith in a letter that your “job is the same, working every day is hard on the kids. I wish I could stay home and play like I used. There are so many things I used to take for granted although I knew then how lucky I was to be able to do what I wanted when I wanted. I know it’s time for a change and I work hard and don’t play as often as I used to But I guess I especially miss taking the kids all over. But like I said, I knew that when I was having fun it would only last for a while. I am thankful I got the opportunity to spend that time at home with the kids. Thank you-” What? did you have a 5-year marriage plan or something when it came to your marriage to Keith? Your divorce was final November 1990.

Asking her daughter if she wanted pics is harassing? Funny! besides, I wrote HER DAUGHTER, not YOU. YOU just can’t seem to keep YOUR nose out of any communication. Your kids are not grieving. Or, maybe they are grieving because they can longer harass their dad. I’m positive their so called grief has nothing to do with the fact that Keith is dead.

Waste my money? On what? LOL What money? I’m having to answer questions from my kids as to why the other kids hated Keith, why the other kids hate them, what did they do to deserve that and trying to help my OWN kids deal with their own REAL grief. My kids said good night to their daddy and went to sleep the evening of Nov. 28, 2005 and never saw him again. I spoke to one friend who wrote beautiful poetry and said his mom went to the same school as I did. He told me a few things about your daughter that weren’t complimentary, but he would say, “but she’s cool.” LOL.

I upset your daughter? YOUR KIDS, both of them, upset my home, my kids, their dad before he died. Me asking your daughter if she wanted pics is NOTHING compared to what your daughter did to my husband. It wasn’t MY daughter or son that told their dad to fuck off.

It’s not ME that needs professional help. Keith has been telling you that YOU need professional help. You screamed at me one time, just before you threatened me, about a diagnosis you’d been given. It was the same time you accused me of being the cause of your second divorce. LMAO…that was funny, but no honey, it’s not ME that needs professional help.

MY kids and I are very close. He has all the family he needs, MY family. His dad’s family can’t get past their hatred towards me to let MY SON know they CARE about him, that they LOVE him and will always be there for him. Same goes for MY DAUGHTER, that Keith raised as his own since she was 10 months old.

YOU are the wicked one, and my life and my kids life will be SO MUCH better without any of YOU in it. You couldn’t stand your kids Dad. You made that PERFECTLY CLEAR, in letters, emails and phone conversations.

You are so right. Keith was a wonderful, giving and generous, kind and compassionate man, It’s too bad you taught your kids to see him in a bad light. It’s too bad you didn’t speak THOSE words to him when he was alive.

He is probably watching from Heaven saying, “Goddamn, I’m gone and J is STILL causing trouble, still harassing my wife. J is STILL talking crap about me, accusing me of abuse, and STILL LYING.”

He stopped drinking beer a decade plus ago. You knew NOTHING about him. Stop acting like you do, and stop acting like you cared about him.

You are a hypocritical, jealous and hateful witch. You taught your daughter to be just like you. You must be so proud.

Why? It’s not a waste of time. It’s documented proof of the years of harassment you sent our way. Not only that, but it’s my way of venting. 😉

The pictures you inquire about, the two pics of the same were of you and your ‘new’ husband that YOU sent Keith. He didn’t care your got remarried. He felt bad for your nEXt husband. But, let me pose a question to you. Why would YOU, his Ex-wife, keep (allegedly, or so you said) the wedding announcement from when you and Keith got married, after all those years past your divorce.

He believed you when you told him you would let the kids visit. You didn’t ask him several times. Hell, you wouldn’t even help him when he asked you to ask the Post Master in your town if they were hiring, when he was thinking of moving to your town, if not another close by town, so that he could see his kids more.

Why couldn’t you send Keith videos or something of his kid’s soccer games, drama performances, graduation ceremonies from any grade? He had to work, He had to pay child support, because you kept taking him back to court for more money. He couldn’t get the time he wanted for vacations because there were people with more seniority. Also, he wasn’t even invited to your daughter’s graduation ceremony from high school.

Phone calls were NOT recorded between him and all his children. After YOU tried to get him thrown in jail for KIDNAPPING, he was instructed to send you a letter, which he did, to let you know that any and all convo’s between you and him and you and me and he and I and your then husband would be recorded. The fact is you continued your harassing phone call conversations knowing they were being recorded. When we would hang up on you, you would immediately call back, and if we didn’t answer, you would leave a harassing voice mail and follow it up with a just as harassing email.

YOU are the one that suggested email be the way to go. LOL. You don’t remember? On May 24, 1999 you wrote and said, “I hear you have e-mail and a computer online. Would you like to correspond this way instead of by mail? It would be faster, easier and cheaper.” On May 27th, Keith responded that you were right, it would be faster, easier but not sure about cheaper. He also said he you were already aware of his feelings about the kids being exposed to your discussions. He also said since the kids were with him 6-8 weeks a year, that you were more than welcomed to email him at any time, but he wasn’t sure about responding back the same way. He said, “If you can guarantee privacy, no problem then.” His suspicions were right on. You ALWAYS let the kids read what their dad sent you. YOU even admitted to it. You wrote, “Each letter, card, note and otherwise piece of mail is not hidden from the children. If there is something you are hiding or do not want them to see then you should not be writing it. The information we share is about them and concerns them so they have every right to see if they choose…they see the letters arrive and ask what you are writing about this time.” You even said that you “have a password protected email as you should too, so that the kids cannot access the internet or emails without adult supervision. They cannot access my e-mail address or theirs for that matter without my password.” Funny you say, “without adult supervision.”

No one intercepted emails here, but CLEARLY that was not the case at your home. Hell, you more than likely HANDED the kids the emails Keith sent you in response to something you wrote him first, just to continue to use them against Keith, alienating his children from him. THAT is evident. Keith got read every single email and sent every one that had his name one them.

Why weren’t your kids allowed to call their dad during the last 5 years? Why wasn’t Keith allowed to have his kids cell phone numbers so he can call them and talk to them directly? Why did you always threaten him with a lawsuit for an invasion of privacy when he asked for his kids numbers or just happen to find out what one was by searching? You even threatened to change all your numbers and not give them to him if he ever texted or called them on their cells. What is WRONG with YOU? Why did he always have to call the home number and get screened and monitored by you?

I never got in the middle of Keith and his kids. YOU, however, told the kids when to and how high to jump when it came to Keith. YOU were the one to pull the marionette strings that you had attached to the kids backs when it came to Keith.

Why are you so bent on me calling the kids doctors, dentists, optometrists, schools? Because you didn’t want Keith to find out that up to a certain point, you didn’t even have Keith listed in the kids’ files as their father, instead, you had your husband at the time listed, and Keith’s name was nowhere. What JOBS did the kids have that I allegedly called? LOL We weren’t allowed any information what the kids were doing, so how could we/he/I call any place of business they may have worked at? LOL

The only problems there were were caused by you. I wasn’t allowed to speak to your kids, remember? There were no problems between me and the oldest daughter until she spoke to you and your daughter and you both filled her head with lies. It was you that called his first ex a “mouse” because you felt she was timid and meek and weak.

The born kids? Huh? My kids live with me, so there is that. The rest of the kids, yours and the older two, well, I feel bad that their hatred towards me affects their relationship with my kids. That says more about them than it does me. It’s ironic that Keith’s oldest daughter tells him how she had guilt for not keeping in contact with your kids, then she turns around and does the same to mine, in particular, her half-brother, so get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

Even through your harassment, I’m moving on with my life. He died in November, yet here you are, in February, harassing me on different platforms. Do you feel guilty for all that you did, all the stress you caused him that played a part in his death, that you have to come on platforms of people you don’t even know and spew your hatred of him and me, proving my point, thankyouverymuch? That’s called projecting. That’s on YOU. Maybe you should go see a therapist to help you deal with your anger issues, since remember, back in 1989 or so, you asked HIM to leave. Isn’t it about time you get over it? Because clearly you haven’t.

Keith’s daughters were not “very loving, sweet, and generous girls. They loved their father with all their heart.” Funny how you didn’t mention his son’s. The girls did NOT “love their father with all their heart.” One hadn’t spoken to him in years and one told him to fuck off. If that’s loving him with all their hearts, they are warped. It was YOU that caused the rift between Keith and his kids with YOU. As far as his older two kids go, I had nothing to do with those relationships. They were established before I came into the picture. Frankly, I don’t even know why they were at the Memorial Service either. Just to make sure Keith’s death was real?

You wrote, “I asked for a divorce because of many personal reasons that I will not defame his name by telling you now.”

Um, you have done NOTHING but defame his name in your posts. The title of your posts are that you divorced him for abuse. SUCH a lie. Your comment up there is nothing but yet ANOTHER LIE notch you can add to your belt.

This is the 2nd page to a letter I  wrote to her local PD after finding out she had started posting on my friends LiveJournal account. The first page is just listing the other times I’ve had to contact them and write Cease and Desist letters.